Transcript: Jody Underwood Threatens To Remove Chris Cantwell from FSP Participants

Jody Underwood

Jody Underwood

On the morning of August 9th 2013, I was contacted by Ian Freeman of Free Talk Live. He told me that the “FSP Board” wanted my contact information. I thought that was really funny, because I’m facebook friends with most if not all of the FSP Board, and they know how to contact me.

I suspected it had something to do with my article titled “Concord Police, Go and Get Your Bearcat“, and sure enough, that’s exactly what it was about. I was contacted later that evening by Jody Underwood (pictured left). Below is the complete transcript of that discussion, the only edit I have made is to remove the email addresses to avoid spambots.

I will write about this in more detail after the FSP has made their decision, I’m told they will vote today on whether or not to remove me from their list of participants, and what if any effect that will have on my participation in FSP activities. 

 

Jody Underwood
Aug 9

to me
Dear Chris,

We’re pretty sure you’re aware that the FSP does not welcome anyone who promotes violence. (Please see http://freestateproject.org/about/faq). Despite this, the FSP Board has learned that you have promoted violence in your blog. You wrote: “So what to do? It’s a terribly unpopular thing to say, but the answer, at some point, is to kill government agents.” (from http://becauseihatethegovernment.blogspot.com/2013/08/concord-police-go-and-get-your-bearcat.html)

It’s one thing to vent things like this privately to a friend, but it’s a different thing to put it in writing, published on the web. Please remove that statement advocating violence and assure us in writing that you won’t promote violence. Otherwise, we will have to remove you from the FSP list of participants based on a violation of our participation guidelines. Thanks for understanding and for working with us.

In peace and liberty,
Jody
Christopher Cantwell
Aug 9

to Jody
Jody,

That statement was not the first, and will not be the last time I advocate defensive force against government agents, or any other class of criminal, that opts to use violence against peaceful people. I will not remove it, and I think it troubling that the FSP would send a blogger such a demand.

It would be a poor decision on the part of the FSP to disassociate from me as a result of a statement that is 100% in line with the NAP. As you seem to acknowledge in your original message, a lot of people feel the same way, and to pretend that line of thinking doesn’t exist is dishonest. I will not be the libertarian Rachel Maddow and tow the party line for PR purposes.

 

Christopher Cantwell
Aug 12

to Jody
Jody,

I am interested to know what, if any conclusion was made on this matter, and what, if any effect this has on my participation in FSP events like PorcFest.

Thanks.
Christopher Cantwell
Aug 15

to Jody
Jody,

6 days ago you threatened to remove me from the FSP list of participants, I replied the same day.

3 days ago I asked you what the status of your threat was, I have yet to hear from you.

I think this controversy, if one exists, raises some important issues I’d like to discuss. So I would appreciate a reply to my question, even if the reply is only to tell me a decision has not yet been made. If you do not respond I’ll have no choice but to assume you’ve chosen to ostracize me and cease communication. I think that would be a poor decision that would serve none of our interests.

I want you to understand that no matter the outcome of this, I will continue to support the goals of the FSP, even though I think this threat taints the organization itself.
Jody Underwood
Aug 16

to me
I apologize for the delay, Chris. It’s been quite a week FSP-wise. I’ll get back to you soon about this. I do appreciate your support and your patience.
Jody Underwood
Aug 22 (10 days ago)

to me
Hi Chris,

Just to let you know that the FSP Board is discussing this while several members have limited availability. Sorry again for the delay in responding.
Jody Underwood
Aug 26 (6 days ago)

to me
Hi Chris,
I’ve read your blog post again, and I’m not actually clear about what you’re advocating. Are you suggesting that people defend themselves in the moment, for example, when they are threatened with being kidnapped? Or to preemptively kill a government agent who has not personally interacted with them? I’m not sure the FSP board would agree with either, but there’s a huge difference in my mind.

I know it’s crazy that the board hasn’t made a decision yet about this, but it’s been very hard to reach everyone. We will do it soon.
Christopher Cantwell
Aug 26 (6 days ago)

to Jody
Jody,

More than anything, I want to put the question of force back into the larger discussion of tactics. What answers are reached in that discussion remain to be seen.

For me personally, all government agents are paid through coercive means, so from a purely philosophical angle, any level of force necessary for anyone to stop any government agent from furthering said coercion is morally justifiable.

The question then necessarily moves to efficacy, and opening fire on the mailman seems like a rather senseless use of ammunition, not to mention the loss of life and public relations problems. To ask whether or not a person would be justified in shooting a cop to avoid arrest on the other hand is also a no brainer, of course they would be justified.

I say we have the discussion on where to draw the line between the two examples, that’s impossible to do if I’m worrying about who’s going to get pissed off or threaten me over my writings, so I’m not going to take such things into consideration.

The mascot of the FSP is the porcupine for a reason, the porcupine bothers nobody, but God forbid you fuck with a porcupine, you get the quills. The NH motto is “Live Free or Die”, and the NH constitution includes a right to revolution. If you want to pretend force is off the table for PR purposes, fine, but it’s dishonest to so pretend.

 

Christopher Cantwell
Aug 27 (5 days ago)

to Jody
Jody,

I thought you’d be interested to hear my first public address of your threat to remove me from the list of FSP participants.